I'm not saying that hurt feelings automatically means you get to beat someone up. I'm saying that every action has a consequence and that an internet bully shouldn't think he's safe from those consequences just because it's the internet. Push someone for long enough or hard enough and they will want to hurt you. That's human nature. And if you then arrange yourself to be in the same general area (Iceland) as the person you remotely pushed for long enough, you shouldn't act surprised if he takes a swing at you. There comes a point where you have it coming.

I'd be laughing at someone getting it in the face as a result of their own conduct in deliberately griefing and humiliating other human beings above and beyond the scope of the game itself, with provable malice and intent to cause harm.

Perfectly justified.

I did not say the violence is justified.

I said my laughing at and applauding it is perfectly justified.

Your concern is a result of your misreading.

I have not said the act of violence is justified.

I said my laughing and applauding an act of retribution by a victim against an individual who has griefed and humiliated them above beyond the civil context of the circumstances those have occured in, is justified.

If that is a "concern" to you, that is your problem. Not mine. Deal with it.

Also, I dont think "masochist" means what you think it means.

Really bad analogy

Masochism is enjoying suffering inflicted upon oneself.
Sadism is the term you where looking for, which does not apply anyways, because I do not enjoy the suffering inflicted, only the fulfillment and vindication of justice from the abused to the abuser.


I have not said that. I am not saying that.



Coming from a self-professed autist, that means very little.

Not to mention you have no business telling people to stay away from children or babies, but I don't expect an autist to have the necessary social and empathic capacity to recognise that.

Glass house, pot and kettle, all that. I would not bring your mental condition up otherwise, but your direct inference that I should for some reason not be allowed near children based on anything I have said here is incredibly offensive, and I attribute it to your lack of understanding of normal social graces, owing to your condition.

There is your justification. As I said in another thread, it takes no mental or semantic gymnastics to fit everything Erotica1 did in that box. There is nothing arbitrary or vague about a ban stemming from the behavior being discussed here.

They are indeed separate issues.

This is the userbase CCP wishes to side with? The type of people who's rhetoric is "GTFO of EVE!"

If your corpmate here is anything on comms like he's posting on the forums i'd kick his ass out right now

You really dont get how deep in real criminal **** these people potentially are, do you?

Eve is a bunch of insensitive aspies that can't understand why the rest of the world doesn't understand them.

Actually, no they aren't. John Carmack isn't an aspie and just sold out for 2b real life cash like any red blooded American would.

Blah blah blah. Aspies didn't invent the iPod: FACT. Steve Jobs was nowhere near a slightly austistic fat nerd. Sorry, bro, they're pretty much on the short end of the stick, evolutionary speaking.

This is pretty much all eve players: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbfBjo-Mw6U

One sentence for your non-optimal selected evolutionary phenotype: You think I responed to my own posts on accident with the same character.

Carry on being a virginal man child. I hear that really does wonders for surviving evolutionary wise.

Bit too late buddy.

Should have apologized on page 1. Maybe would have avoided the permaban.

Certainly would have avoided my humble efforts to spread the story far and wide, and reporting this to law enforcement, as I should....

There is nothing illegal about his ingame activities.
There is a great deal illegal about him extending those activities to outside of the game, on false premise.
And a great deal relating to that, that CCP should imo take very seriously.

In EVE, fine.
Out of EVE, Id take the case if I could.

Read the thread.

Also, you have not responded to mail.

That is your prerogative, but also your loss for not having read it.

I will hereby institute a personal policy to match your own, of ignoring all ingame communication from you. Period.

Clearly you should visit court rooms that are not on TV :)

Lets try that tactic again.

Defense: she could have said no the entire time and leave.
Judge: Case dismissed.

CNN? Wow, that's taking a petty grudge too far. Only a sociopath would go that far.

On display here folks. Naivete at its best.

He doesn't really understand a lot what he claims so very meretriciously to be an expert about... on display.... naive ultimately.

Read and understand this. It has nothing to do with "in game". That's an arbitrary boundary only you believe exists.

"CCP may take any action it deems appropriate regarding any User Content, if CCP believes, in its sole discretion, that such User Content violates the EULA or may expose CCP, its licensors and/or its suppliers to liability, damage CCP's relationship with any of its suppliers, licensors, ISPs or other users of EVE, harm anyone or harm CCP's reputation or goodwill."


No, "may take any action it deems appropriate regarding any User Content" and Erotica1, you, and I all agreed to that.

"CCP believes, in its sole discretion"

and so on and so forth.

Yeah, Erotica1 can sue CCP in Iceland. GL HF.

Start by answering the hundreds of questions and claims that were adressed to you.
Meanwhile all i see is you is avoiding any direct question and confrontation.

Just ban the narcissistic psychopath and be done with it. The only reason he is showing any kind of rational reasoning is because he has realised this might impact on him. Typical psychopathic behaviour

Keep runing away from answers.

*I too read every word in this thread.

Frankly I doubt you care.

good guys >.< . only in your head your a good guy. to me your just a scammer who went too far because you could. you pushed that dude so far he lost it totally and you step back and say he is the one to blame. i bet you are smiling as you read everything posted in this thread.

Feel free to go and educate yourself via google or any other search engine. There is a spectrum and you have scored very highly indeed.

The saddest, most funny part is...switch some database numbers, log in a different toon, and suddenly this controversy gets flipped on it's head.

You know just as well as I do, if it were a +5.0 pillar of the community good guy pulling the same scam on a lowlife gankur, there'd be high-fives and backpatting galore.

Its fuckheads like you, who would blame a Woman for getting raped because she was 'too pretty'!

Dont know how to check your recent posts?

You really can't play the victim card when your actions are aimed at seeking those hateful comments. That's what your goal seems to be, to garner hate and anger from your victims... Don't like it, then stop doing it.

No, if the actions had been confined to in game scamming, you might be correct in blaming the victim for being a fool.

But when these actions go so far afoul of any kind of human decency, and he has demonstrated time and again his willingness to cross them... No we are dealing with the same kind of 'blame the victim' mentality that is personified by people without morals.

Ok, so not only would you blame a woman for a ****... You'd be OK with pedophilia as long as it was 'consensual'

You have real issues with differentiating facts from your tunnel vision rainbow world.

I know what you are desperately trying to do now and many people in your current position would do same but denial isn't constructive nor allows you to evolve.
Step back and actually try to see what people are saying without being butthurt by literally a consequence to your own actions.

Attempting to rationalize your depravity behind walls of ignorance.... Not fooling anyone but yourself.

No, mate, it doesn't, and that's hilarious. We call them "manginas", and real feminists think they're stupid.
Of course, real feminists also think extreme feminists are batcrap loco.

I dig humanism. Just because I'm a man doesn't mean I shouldn't care about women's issues.... but it also shouldn't mean I think I'm superior to women.

My closing comment:

id like to quote a comment from Evenews24:

For the people who think that this behavior is excusable because the victim continued voluntarily and could have disconnected any time, your logic is flawed for several reasons.

1.) You fail to understand how psychological manipulation works. The more a person is invested, the more difficult it is for that person to stop. Erotica 1 completely exploited this.
2.) Erotica 1 never intended to follow through with his promise and therefore the victim's participation was precipitated on a lie. This is the very antithesis to "voluntary".
3.) The victim certainly had no idea that this was going to be broadcast all over the internet to further the humiliation. I think it is pretty easy to surmise that such information might have changed the outcome.

Lastly, even granting that yes, despite the above, he physically could have disconnected at any time, it does not make this behavior OK. Even if this was a reasonable outcome given the culture of Eve, it does not make this behavior OK. The actions of the victim can not justify the abuse. It is not OK to abuse a person just because that person may have made himself vulnerable to such abuse.

closing quote from me: Ero you should have stopped after getting his isk. Live with the consequences or get a better human being and see it as a lesson. Try it mate, it is not so hard to let go of a false point of view. It could be very refreshing to admit that one has made a mistake. However, that needs a bit of an integrity and mature personality that I am missing by reading your comments. poor you.

Mate. At the moment this thread is just going straight back down the rabbit hole of personal attacks it was in earlier.

Is it possible to just not respond and let some of the heat go out?

Let people vent and hopefully the thread will be locked soon. However keeping the attack/counter-attack process going isn't productive or helpful to anyone.

It takes 2 sides to keep arguing, but only 1 to stop.

Male bonding isn't scary, and it's supposed to be done with pints of brown ale, not hugs. :p

I'll just leave this here.
Pay attention to 1

THE HARE PSYCHOPATHY CHECK LIST(Revised) (PCL-R)

1 Glibness/superficial charm
2 Grandiose sense of self-worth
3 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
4 Pathological lying
5 Cunning/manipulative
6 Lack of remorse or guilt
7 Shallow affect [i.e. superficial experience and expression of emotions]
8 Callous/lack of empathy
9 Parasitic lifestyle
10 Poor behavioural controls
11 Promiscuous sexual behaviour
12 Early behaviour problems
13 Lack of realistic long-term goals
14 Impulsivity
15 Irresponsibility
16 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
17 Many short term marital relationships
18 Juvenile delinquency
19 Revocation of conditional release
20 Criminal versatility

Some people should start answering the questions, instead of avoiding them.

It's always funny when laypeople try to apply psych checklists like this. Even more lolz when they intentionaly leave out the instructions on HOW to use it.

You might instead want to consider how many times you have directly tried to misrepresent my posts as to the effect of having any intent to cause anyone any physical harm.

They actually constitute libel, you know. And you perpetrated it more than once.
You can't go around accusing people of having violent intent without proof.

I'd sit down and shut up if I was you.

No, EN24 did not say it. It was a comment. A very convincing one too.

Erotica refused on no less than 10 separate occasions to answer the same simple and respectful question put to her.

Instead choosing transparent evasion and the false claim that "she had already answered it", when infact no less than 4 people can attest to there actually simply not being that answer in the first place.

Dishonest.

You make me think of an awesome Monty Python skit. Also, you had a point?

A suggestion is far from a threat but we all see what we want to see right? After all that's what manipulation is about and clearly you are trying to take people words in such context that will benefit your cause even though it's derailing the original topic and has nothing to do with a fact...

And even IF then:

"I'd sit down and shut up if I was you" = "you should calm down before you do something you regret".

So. E1s alt, crap manipulator, stupid or hypocrite? (It's my conclusion not a insult nor threat for your touchy eyes)

No they were not.

If you'd be so kind as to point out Erotica's answer to this question that has been ignored many times by him, i'd be ever so appreciative, instead you seem to be blindly defending an indefensible event.

I've quoted the simple question below for your convenience and look forward to the reply.

Reversely, just because it's on EN24 does not make it untrue. Hard to believe, I know. What makes me find it compelling is that it is put forward clearly and concisely and that it makes sense. We're allowed to interpret it differently and obviously do.

So you are deliberately misrepresenting my words, with intent to libel.
Cease and desist.

You are unaware of the fact that Pollard informed me earlier this day that he has a personal policy of deleting evemail before reading it.

First we have Mittani encouraging people to get some miner to commit suicide on a microphone at fanfest.

Then we have sadistic perverts abusing others over computers.


Why is this **** tolerated???

Fair enough on the correction. But regardless, you will never know the contents of that mail now which is regrettable.
And as your to personal policy, I chose to reciprocate with my own of ignoring your posts from here on.
That letter was my attempt to reconcile a personal difference with you unrelated to ontopic discussion.
You trashed it. That leaves me this option.

Please respect it as I have to respect yours, and do not address me again. I will not address you either.

This is emotional rapists trying to justify what they do by staging a show that, no, victims are not really hurt at all.

E1 thinks its OK to inflict emotional damage on handicapped people. "its just a bit of fun, no real harm done, nobody dies"

Neo-**** guys down the road in a seedy bar think its OK to **** a girl too "its just a bit of fun, no real harm done, nobody dies"

The proximate cause of the death threats and racial epithets was the the psychological torture. Therefore, the blame falls squarely on Erotica1's shoulders.

uhhh.... did you miss the part where he linked the soundcloud on EO forums?

If that ain't defamatory i don't know what is

According to you,

Slavery is consensual. Slave can always walk away right?
Domestic abuse is totally OK. Wife can always walk away right?
Sex trafficking is OK - the girl can awlays refuse to work.

Its funny how predators always try to justify their sickening actions. And they never mention the consequences for 'walking away'.

Let me spell it out for you.

If a person is threatened with losing something by walking away - that's coercion buddy. Whether it is physical safety in case of ****, or life in case of slavery, or internet isk, its irrelevant. Coercion is coercion.

And to do this to a vulnerable person....

Sickening.

There is NOTHING that separates people that do this from real-life pedophiles, rapists, murderers and slavers of the world.

And people like that should all suffer the same punishment IMHO.

I'm happy to imagine that you ban every corpmate that uses any death threat, threat of violence or discriminatory speech on coms immediately.

But I admit that's just as much of a straw man argument as yours.

Were the things he said wrong to say? Yes. Would he ordinarily go around saying such things? I know you can't claim that he would just as I can't claim he wouldn't. Who pressured him into a position to say those things and cause his wife to have a panic attack at what she perceived as unusual behavior? Erotica 1.

If a corrupt government official uses all the rules available to him to harass you, to strip you of every last piece of security you have, all within the letter of the law, and all of a sudden you go off cursing at him, he's still the bad guy.

defamation


/-îd+¢f+Ö-ême+¬-â(+Ö)n/


noun

noun: defamation; plural noun: defamations



1.



the action of damaging the good reputation of someone; slander or libel.

That's not really an argument is it? Regardless of the virtuality of this situation it holds up in all respects

I'm sorry for the delay getting back. I stepped out and only saw your post by chance, probably because it was at the top. I don't think you or Danilee are part of the 4%. That number represents sociopaths.[citation needed] You should not infer you are effed up. Your difficulty in understanding is not caused by a sociopathic lack of empathy and understanding. Most likely its caused by a phenomena known as psychological distance.[citation needed]

Many people believe that things should be black and white, either or, for or against.[citation needed] The real world does not exist in a binary fashion, it is analog with spaces for instance between 1 and 10.[citation needed] As we approach the mathematical extremes of either, or these binary measurements, marked by the extremes, mathematicians notice a lack of certainty that continues down to the quantum level. Our current conclusions are that there are no absolutes but that is of course subject to change by the very principles that describe this situation.[citation needed]

Back to psychological distance. Did you ever wonder why sniping and kiting and large fleets are more popular than brawling and solo? In killing there is a human need for psychological distance.[citation needed] Firing at a superior's or Fleet Commanders order is fun. Dropping a bomb from 30000 feet is easier than strangling a man eye to eye.[addendum: this is due to ts convenience, not psychology] Shooting an enemy from a hundred fifty k is easier than a one on one kiting and kiting is emotionally easier than charging full on toe to toe with blasters.[citation needed and addendum: kiting and sniping are tactics used to mitigate risk, again, not psychology, just smart] The same goes on in real life in wars. The most emotional damage that's treated in VA centers are from men close enough to open up a victims wallet after a kill and seeing pictures of a wife and children.[citation needed] Emotional distance nearly ceases to exist at this point and unless your[sic] part of the sociopathic natural killers, you will be effected.[citation needed, murder is not a pathology]

The same is going on with the softening of gender boundaries that the world is experiencing. Whereas for centuries the distance was so great that a man or woman might never in a lifetime be confronted with gender confusion, the probability that it will happen as went up many fold. If it happens accidentally or is forced on a person the confusion and reaction will be greater than if it is sought consensually in something like mutual friendship as it appears the three of us at least have experienced.[don't even know what to do with this paragraph, if it can even be considered one]

But to put yourself at a closer emotional distance, I can only think to ask you to imagine "putting the moves" on a member of the same sex and after considerable involvement "discovering" that the person your[sic] with is not the gender you think. Now I know many gay females that would act extremely violently if they encountered a phallus by surprise. I've also personally witnessed young men at a bachelor party reacting by several jumping from a multistory window, several more retreating to the bathroom and the barrel, more than several embracing the situation and participating anyhow, Several curling together sobbing in tears that they were gay and yet several more committing suicide over the next couple years.[anecdotal testimony: dismissed]

So do[sic] to personal experience I have to assume this either isn't your first dance and you've settled with what your[sic] comfortable distances are, male or female, gay or not.[assumption, possible false dichotomy: inconclusive] Decrease your current emotional distance and I think you'll start to see why you empathize with E1 is that your mistaking a lack of abuse by E1 at a close distance with an act of kindness. By playing EVE, you are a victim of...


Stockholm Syndrome[citation needed]

Tell me how that matters you stupid ****.

Fact is a significant number of military personnel commit suicide, as well as police, Fire, and Emergency Responders... and it sure as hell ain't because they are in physical pain.

Many experts believe that the farther a veteran is from military service, the less likely it is that his or her suicide has anything to do with his or her time in uniform. In other words, many older veterans are killing themselves for the same reasons that other civilians in the same age group kill themselves: depression and other mental health problems coupled with difficult life circumstances.

Fact is a significant number of military personnel commit suicide, as well as police, Fire, and Emergency Responders... and it sure as hell ain't because they are in physical pain.

E1 & Co. just made a cardinal mistake of pissing on the united states service men and women.

God knows i disagree with some things US gov't does, but I never disrespect and belittle the brave men and women who are sent to do dangerous jobs overseas.

For your little sadist circle to laugh about some very serious issues facing the service men and women is not cool. Especially since EVE Online is where a large number of them choose to spend their free time.

But keep digging.

And again, your neanderthal mind misses the point.

Everybody has different emotional triggers, but the fact remains, emotional pain is real, and can be far more deadly and traumatic than any physical pain.

There is a reason Waterboarding exists instead of just dunking somebody into a pool of water.

hang on i will link this to a couple of marine buddies of mine on TS. they were on the fence about this issue. they wont be after your sadist circle proverbially pissed on their dead buddy.

Written by a guy who never served anyone but himself. You have never done a day of public service in your sad little life because if you had you would never stoop so low as to dismiss the service that these men and women give us. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they could choose who to give service to on an individual, merit type basis. My feeling is that you would be dialing for help until your fingers bled.

The Secretary of Defense knows when the men and women he Commands have a problem in their midst.

There is a reason we started having suicide briefs every ******* month.

You sir, with your uncanny ability to refer to other people who may or may not be analyzing statistics are a true gem. We need more people around here that can parrot their favorite news source and then use other's intellect as a substitute for their own. Why don't you go ahead and share some of your own analysis with us instead of the people you puppet to make yourself feel smart. Go on we'll wait.

No kidding. Really?

It's certainly not because of your dismissive, abrasive and dull witted posting I'm sure.

Mr Epeen

He thinks he is a wit.

You are not as complex as you think, you use words and concepts that you only partially understand in order to obfuscate the truth, which is that you are a rather shallow and insecure individual. Most of us here have degrees and we have heard all of the drivel that you are test-marketing in your posts. Here is a tip, it's not that people don't like you because they don't understand you, it's because you are generally off putting and banal.

Hey look its the slayer of mining barges, who wouldn't show his face after he declared war. wondered when your panzy ass would show up in this.

You are a sophomore aren't you? It must be that. You know just enough to impress the girls, but no enough to see how stupid you sound to those with life experience and higher education. We don't need to use our knowledge as a bludgeon, we are accomplished in our own right. On that point I will say good night because you aren't worth my time to educate, at this point you know it all. In a few years you will see how much you don't know and then you may remember my words.

Wardec people who want to PVP?

Civilization, competition, fair play, social cooperation and the Rule of Law, or a clown show of immaturity,

What does CCP and the larger EVE community want this game to become?

The 'sandbox' analogy is trite, overused and does not answer the question.

The most amusing thing about this post is that you actually think its reasonable.

I can also tell you, that its not just 'being made fun of' that can validly be related to torture.

I doubt that Kaarous Aldurald or Remiel Pollard have reached the age when the pain of death has stung their lives.

IF you want a citation explaining the current understanding of PTSD, War Trauma and the like, consider reading or even just browsing???

On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society

Great analogy.

I don't know about that or whether its even relevant to attack his education. Ad Hominem is Freshman tactics isn't it?

Which is precisely what we are trying to get CCP to do, because they own the sandbox....

It is time to remove the fecal matter from the sandbox.

If that were true, there would not be so many people doing it, and there most certainly wouldn't be three EVE organizations that have made it an artform.

Well, at least you lot have shown your true colors now.

we've gone straight past killing ourselves as a result of what happens in games... we have humans killing themselves BECAUSE they are playing games for too long (as in not drinking/eating while playing for some crazy amount of time)

Let me ask you something: what is a billion isk to you?

To me, its a nicely fit T3 or two. Or maybe a blops. I've eaten those types of losses before. And honestly, so has much of the eve community.

When I lost that much isk, I didn't cry, or yell, bang a desk, or threaten someones mother in impotent rage. To me, someone that demonstrates these symptoms has a problem. Maybe even a hardcore addiction as you say, idk.

The point is, such a person is not well adjusted, and you can't base policy for a community of hundreds of thousands based on the response of the mentally unstable fringe. Just my 2 isk.

people kill themselves every day. while that is a sad thing to see happen... if someone kills themself over a few pixels then they probably are doing the world a favor(not trying to be coldhearted here just honest)

Google "died while playing video game"

Depending on you municipality, it can be a contributing factor, actually.

Naive. Sometimes human beeings are turned into puppets. Your seeing things too idealistically.

Already been cited multiple times. You may not harass other players. You may not cause damage to CCP's reputation.

Harassment is harassment. Harming CCP's reputation and the reputation of EvE is harming CCP's reputation and the reputation of EvE.

At any given moment, we all have at least one choice and the truth is that more often than not, we take the wrong turns... I do not think this should be about the victim's choice but the actions of the perpetuators and whether one considers them 'normal behavior' or not. The rest is gossip...

If you think this behavior is 'normal' then... I rest my case.

For you and all the rest that condone these actions, including Erotica1 and the gang, all I have to says is: what goes around comes around...

You believe that this is appropriate behavior in which way again?

1B isk says your an Ero alt... any takers?

230 pages... is this the biggest threadnaught ever?

Ive had my say but the only way you are going to stop this type of behavior is to stop scamming. Its the scamming part that causes people to act in the way they do. If scamming isn't banned then this will continue to happen to many other people, and in fact thinking about that makes me feel very uncomfortable.

I am surprised what lengths people will and have gone to for virtual money. Scary really..

I think you missed the bit where Ero1 screwed with the guy's head for like an hour and a half, made fun of his speech impediment, and in general acted like a massive a**hole - you know, the bit that people are actually talking about.

But hey, you've already picked your side, so keep right on posting! The threadnaught needs more repetition!

Sigh, Sarcasm is so wasted on the fool.

I generally don't want to have a bunch of annoying douchebags cluttering up the channel.

If this is true, this line about the victim being an idiot is wrong, because the scam was not merely some 'give me your isk' request but a cleverly crafted and targeted Con.

Therefore even more damning to Erotica 1.

The way you are trying here so hard I would watch your back as mom might enter room and take your power cord.

WTF dude. Add something and stop trying so hard cause you all look even more stupid.

You got to be E1s alt

baltec you are over simplifying what happened and the root cause. This was a scam that turned into something that no one deserves to be subjected to. All the other sementics (he could walk away, etc.) is academic to me, erotica was wrong, his action repugnant by any standards (even the lose eve moral norm) and it should not be tolerated.

And its perfect that a Goon should mention that, as all Erotica 1 is; is an extension of the same kind of thing that disintegrated BoB, and other tactics first developed by Mittani and his sheeple.

So you call us morons for having opinion different than yours, at this point you just sperg post for your amusement and some how being Australian makes you special?

Yeah. Lulz.

This goes so much farther than just Erotica 1.

Do you, are there accually any legal evidence that the victim is in fact 27? or might he just as well be a minor lying?

I hear a guy manipulate somebody to intentionally humiliate him using in game leverage with false promise and going public on top of it.
You got to be a total douche not to even consider it as something wrong.

I could care less about lost pixels but if I read that they use this chat room in a way that can harm people and intentionally set everything up to dodge ban hammer then no matter what some twisted individuals think this is a case for outrage and I'm glad that at least part of this already ****** up community is able to pull they eyes out of their ass and realize that things went too far.

Go chase a kangaroo and stop acting like wrong is ok because it's cool.

Legal age for marriage in the US can be as low as 15 in some states, with parental consent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_United_States_of_America

Try harder yourself before you tell others to. Thanks.

This with other childish rants I think proves you are a minor.

I don't think this question is designed to elicit a factual answer. It's a trigger that hasn't been pulled yet. The right answer will be the one that helps justify a position that E1 is evil and should be purged from the game.

Anything short of that will be treated as untrue.

Good read, hope your mother is happy again.

Some of you should realize how close you are to a forum ban and stop name calling (retards, moralfags, etc.) Aside from being childish it diminishes the impact of your opinion.

You pinned a guy against a wall with a two-ton truck, as a result of what he said on the internet.

And you think you're normal and healthy, I suppose.

What is the point of him posting if you fail to read and understand?

Oh sod off.

Have you seen the EvE Eula? It is so vague you can find a way to do practically ANYTHING and say it isn't against the rules.

Wrong.

And nice insult. Can't argue without it? Lol.

Strawman. This is about his conduct, not him personally.

Can't reason with somebody who doesn't understand reason.

Cya.

That is demonstrably a lie. I have at no point anywhere claimed to be a lawyer.

He edited it out a while back when I pointed out that it's illegal to claim to be a lawyer in most developed nations.

Go ahead and try. I have not made the claim anywhere to be a lawyer, nor edited any comment of such claim.

So you are stating you would commit a crime against me, by spitting on me? Thanks for violating the EULA.

That is a lie and libel.

I have at no point claimed to be a lawyer, nor edited any claim to that effect.
CCP can confirm this.

A lie and libel.

I have at no point here claimed to be a lawyer, or edited any comment to that effect.
CCP can confirm this.

You however have demonstably expressed intent to commit a RL crime against me by spitting on me.

You like to tell grown men how to act, while at the same time showing of you post if a manner similar to a small child running around proudly showing of some doodle it just made.

Do you deny that you have testified here to having driven a two ton truck at a man, therby pinning him against a wall to within an inch of his life, with an initial intent to kill him?

Actually there are plenty of forum scum here defending what Erotica 1 did.....

Yeah, hokay.

We'll just petition to let murderers go free now... because 'they' might come for you next

Says the guy with the friend throwing out N.a.z.i analogies....

You just went full ******.

Here is your testimony:


If he was pinned, that literally means he was unable to move, meaning the inch is validated.

Your emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse of, to prove the mens rea of intent to harm.
It was not an accident. You deliberately drove a two-ton truck directly at him.

Sokhar's emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse, to prove the mens rea of intent to threaten and abuse. It was not an accident. He deliberately threatened and abused Erotica 1 with racial and homophobic slurs.

There is no witch-hunt.

This is the community expressing its condemnation of Erotica1's conduct.

Why are you not in jail? You should be according to your own testimony.
Only reason you are not, is the victim did not press charges.

You think it is legal to deliberately drive a two-ton truck at people to the result of pinning them against a garage-door?

I vote for making him read this thread out loud, can he outpace our posting speed

Nope, prove intent to injure, could those people have moved out of the way at any point?

Lynch mob is a bit extreme, he's only calling for Erotica 1 to be banned from a simple computer game.

You just strawmanned again. Way to prove my point. All I had to do was give you one liners. Imagine if I actually tried to give you a reasonable argument.

Now you see why is pointless to take you seriously.

It's pretty pure and simple really. If this is the sort of behaviour that CCP are happy to be associated with EVE then they need do nothing but shrug and say "it's the nature of EVE, live with it".

If they don't want this sort of behaviour to be associated with EVE then they need to take a strong stance (altering EULA if required).

Sittining in the middle doing nothing looks a bit weak no matter what they think.

Google it and educate yourself pleb.

Keep saying it because that's all people are doing.

If he had something, or could even state an example of how I was 'strawmanning', don't you think he would have done so by now?

Prove it.

More really bad analogies.

One too many really bad prequel references.

here is the full text not a snippet quote so my response can be put into context

"I think you hit the nail on the head with that . Where is the line in these situations. For all discussions and commentators most agree, myself including scamming is fine. But once scam is completed and you have all possible assets extracted , is it ok to prolong the ordeal for the sucker ( victime , self inflicted) for tear extraction as it is called in-game. Should the EULA be more stringent on that aspect of scamming. Me personally i say yes . As for punshment i will disagree , there should be perma ban for Erotica1 for taking it too far, then putting this public domain which has a consequence for the whole community. There should be a temp ban for the sucker (victim ,self inflicted ) for the racism , and threats that followed. Why the lesser punishment . He was under self inflicted emotional duress, which was not completely under his control as his assets where being held to ransom , by that he had to play or loose everything he built up in his eve carrier . Coercion is used by Erotica1 , the scenario was set up by erotica1 , The control to end this was completely in Erotica1 hands . Ultimate responsibility is with the scammer Erotica1 for this entire situation"

For the scamming aspect yes it happend with the victims consent . He willingly handed over assets like a idiot. The bonus room shenanegians involved coercion by holding victims assets to ransom. The bonus room was done in a teamspeak which belongs to erotica1 or his freinds. Erotica1 set it up with the intent to focus on humilating people , not avatars not just to scam. The scenario of what went down was under his control as he was the one giving instructions . The putting of the recording in public domain was done by him . The capacity to stop boot the sucker (VICTIM) from teamspeak and end this was within erotica1 control . Erotica1 choose to set up the room out of game to humilate people not just to scam , and continued his antics after the scam was complete. He already had all the guys assets

hahaha.
Thank you.

Next fuckatrd please.

I have to disagree on this one point. Our forum mods do the best they can, and this is one thread that (for a variety of reasons) I would be reluctant to touch with a 10' pole.

The moment they close it or delete posts they will be accused of "choosing their side" and "censoring the truth about this outrage" and all sorts of other childish nonsense.

I don't blame them for letting people get it out of their system first, and then dealing with it when people begin to start thinking rationally again.

Torturing a person in TS is not a playstyle. Its just sick.

He proved it himself in his testimony.

He accelerated the truck at the person with intent to harm, then "realised" the potential consequences, and hit the brakes.
His intent changed in the process of the act, the latter replacing the former
Nonetheless the initial intent is proven.
Fortunately for both of them in time to not cause bodily harm to the victim.
Furthermore, having the intent to cause someone harm, is not a crime. Acting on it to the result of harm, is.
Nonetheless his initial intent is clear from his own words.

The resulting intent as fulfilled in the resulting action though, is also illegal.
It is not legal to deliberately drive a two-ton vehicle towards people and pinning them against a garage-door with it.

And no, whether the victim can get out of the way of someone deliberately driving their vehicle at them, is not material to the perpetrators actions being illegal.

Ok so your saying if the the victim stated he wanted his assets of se he could log and sleep erotica1 would do it . No he would keep them and threaten to never return them if his sucker (victim ) does not participate . Once the assets are handed over . Then used to make someone play erotica1 game it becomes coercion from scam to sick saddistic, narcaccisitc activity with no other purpose other than to draw pain and suffering from a individual person not avatar

A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****. I'm sure that in the goon philosophy a drug dealer is a good guy, actually he is a hero. Because yeah.. he ease the pain of the addicts and also help the humanity to get rid of those too weak to resist drugs. Pretty valid argument, it reminds me of a last century ideology.

It wasn't willing. E1 had a hostage(the pixels) which Sokhar felt he could save. Was Sokhar irresponsible with the pixels yes but he still cared for them.

AND THAT"S WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO END AND ALL WOULD BE FINE.

Like caps? Hope you can read it now cause damn you are one braincell away from reaching veggie level of thinking.

Just because he is of questionable intelligence doesnt mean he deserved to be tortured. He still thought he could recover the pixels and thought he could even multiply them. that is why he was in the TS3 and that is why he stayed. Out of game. OUT OF GAME. What do you not understand about that??

"Since 1973Amnesty International-áhas adopted the simplest, broadest definition of torture:

"Torture is the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another, or on a third person, in order to accomplish the purpose of the former against the will of the latter."

Erotica1 inflicts systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, through means of several hours of subjecting the victim to demeaning and humiliating tasks alongside harassment and insulting from himself and his peers, in order to accomplish their purpose of causing the victim to leave the situation, against the will of the victim to fulfill the Bonus Rooms demands for the reward promised in the contract of the Bonus Room between the victim and the perpetrators.

It is not necessary to be restrained or prevented from being able to remove oneself from the situation, for it to constitue torture, and in this incidence, it is exactly that which the perpetrators are leveraging against the victim.

An analogy would be a wife remaining in an abusive relationship with a husband who inflicts upon her systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, because she knows that if she files for divorce, all the assets, including the house, would remain in the property of her husband, as they are in his name. What the husband is doing to her, though superficially enabled by her remaining, nonetheless constitutes torture, as he is accomplishing the purposes of his will, namely of her remaining there for him to torture, against the will of the latter to leave the situation, as he knows full well she can and will not because then she is homeless and destitute.

You want to play a game rated pegi 12, with people who tries you lure on voice comms and ask you cover you body in mayo and peanut butter, and send them the pictures... you might like that, i find that very very creepy.

You can claim that it's perfectly normal and just fun and games, i don't agree... i don't think we will ever agree.

After reading about this story and after reading parts of this thread I am terribly saddened that a disturbing part of the EvE Online player community is actually naming what this player did a "play style". I know (and hope) this isn't the majority of this community, as I've witnessed EvE players doing wonderful things (the typhoon relief PLEX thing being one of them).

There is no such thing when you are purposely applying psychological torture to a person and prolong it for hours, then posting the recording on the internet. Even if it took place out of the game, it is still related to EvE by the assets which started it all, so there is no denying that CCP should take action. From what we've seen so far, I trust them completely to apply common sense to the problem and act decisively. And I might add here that usually when there's so much quietness coming from CCP, the decision will be properly hammered-in, so to speak.

I would also recommend Erotica 1 to take up an appointment with a psychiatrist, and this is in no way an attack, but a really friendly and concerned suggestion. In-game tear extraction is different from the out of game (but game-related) harassment and this should be a concern to anyone, especially the developer.

Its not irrelevant just because you say it is.

Asking someone to post naked pictures of their significant other with the false promise that they will get their assets back and having them write your name on their bodies with mayonnaise is far from asking someone to sing a song.

You are trying to whitewash Erotica 1's sadistic ploys and psychopathic mental torture on victims he derives from EVE Online.

Needless to say, you are failing at that. It wouldn't surprise me if you are an Erotica 1 associate or an alt of Erotica 1 himself.

PS. If you are an Erotica 1 alt, it wouldn't surprise me at all if you were abused as a children. Many victims of abuse who go rehabilitated turn to abusing others later in their lives.